JustineBieberxoxo (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Ouija121085 Mig planes sold as new need frame retrofits? How does that work? Explin this simple economy.

Ouija121085 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@JustineBieberxoxo well if you didnt pay for frame retrofit then you get what you paid for. Simple economy.

JustineBieberxoxo (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Ouija121085 Russia sent rusted airframes on a few occasions.

Ouija121085 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@JustineBieberxoxo who sent rusted frames? wtf u talking about.

JustineBieberxoxo (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@Ouija1210 Bad workmanship? Yes. Sending rusted and rotten airframes to paying customers. If you can't get that right, it's bad workmanship.

lolmanj (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

the camera man seems to be more interested in the engines than the plane :p

dinhscot (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Right on.. a good read you guys

Ouija121085 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@TankNutJohn89 And furthermore F22 did lose a simulated duel against chinese made copies of Su27, which by the way only look like Su27 while the preformance of Su27 and chinese copy are massive. Even this diluted Su27 managed in mock up simulaton to defeat F22 by actually attacking and destroying refuling tankerplane and then without even engaging F22 dissapeared, while F22 ran out of fuel and could not continue engagement due to low fuel supply. F22 has a problem with low fuel.

Ouija121085 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@TankNutJohn89 The only excercises F22 was ever in were computer simulations and close nit exercises with USAF's own aircraft. Never were they so public. Second if eurofigher or F15 won a duel against F22 it would be the end of USAF as tonnes of inquiries would pour in why "inferior" aircraft managed against 200million dollar stated invincible plane? even if eurofigther or F15 did beat F22 you would never know about it EVER.

Ouija121085 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

@TankNutJohn89 That is not a source nor a reference. When you calim such "facts" then you need to link a reputable source so that everyone can see what it says. Where is the article? or journal which stated this? you dont have it because you heard or read this from some amature forum and spew it out here. I can also say that SU30 is superior to F22 and my source is Sukhoi Development Concern... wtf where is the PROOF? you dont have any. And no eurofigher never won against F22.